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10 Highlights from the Worldwide Madone Premiere

Madone_launch_071 This just in my email box from an attendee of the all-new Madone unveiling..OK, he didn't provide the links, but I did...



Thanks for having me Scotty.  Great Evening.  Great Bike.  Here's my top 10 from the evening...

1. Enjoying the Calatrava-designed, Milwaukee Art Museum - a fitting venue for a beautiful bike.
2. Seeing the surprise entrance of Lance and his feedback on the all new Madone.
3. Watching dealers and media snap pictures and video like Paparazzi throughout the evening.
4. Enjoying the "talk show" style dialogue between Lance and John Burke.  Move over Letterman.
5. Hearing Madone development and testing stories from John Burke, Tyler Pilger & Doug Cusack.
6. Finally understanding the OCLV carbon frame lineup story.  Red... Black... White... Genius!
7. Being surprised with the intro of the new FuelEX with Travis Brown. Didn't see that coming.
8. Overhearing the Trek Palo Alto Dealer telling stories about Steve Jobs buying a Lime Bike.
9. Watching Trek designers & engineers share their enthusiasm one-on-one with dealers.
10.Bikes shipping Monday you say?  Awesome.

Comments

David Graham

What is the difference in fuselage weight and stiffness of 56 cm Pro Fit Madones made from OCVL Red, OCLV Black and OCLV White carbon?

Damon Rinard

Hi David, Great question!

Compared to the current Madone, the new Madones save weight as follows:
Red – 210grams
Black – 250 grams
White - 315grams
On average over 250grams lighter.

The stiffness of the OCLV Black is about the same as the current Madone: a little stiffer in the bottom bracket, a little less stiff vertically. This is after full-frame FEA analysis done in Trek's Advanced Concept Group (ACG), including ply-by-ply fiber simulation over the final design shape, as well as lab testing and ride testing of production frames.

Bottom line: The OCLV Black fuselage is very close to the current Madone, our baseline. Compared to OCLV White, the OCLV Red frame is slightly less stiff (by less than 10%), but it's lighter; the OCLV White frame is also slightly less stiff (again by less than 10%), but it's less expensive.
- Damon Rinard

chris

Some confusion on your last response...

"Bottom line: The OCLV Black fuselage is very close to the current Madone, our baseline..."

Compared to the OCLV 110, that is? But a bit stiffer AND lighter? (both by how much?)

"Compared to OCLV White, the OCLV Red frame is slightly less stiff (by less than 10%), but it's lighter; the OCLV White frame is also slightly less stiff (again by less than 10%), but it's less expensive."

Lost me here. First, you say that White is stiffer than Red. Then you say White is less stiff.

Are you suggesting..

Stiffness: White > Black > Red

Weight: White > Black > Red

Weight makes sense. Stiffness, if I read it correctly, is odd.

Chris - Let us try to explain this again:

Weight: White > Black > Red.

Stiffness of the 2008 Madones: Black > Red = White.

Stiffness of the 2007 Madones: 120 gsm = 110 gsm > 55 gsm.

'07 and '08 combined: [ 120 gsm = 110 gsm = Black ] > [ Red = White = 55 gsm ]. Chris asked "compared to 110" so this answers that part of the question.

Make more sense now? What you see above are basically lab numbers; numbers you can isolate in a controlled environment. Where the new Madones shines is on the road (which is where feel, preferences and varying viewpoints are established). We have umpteen thousands of reference points on the previous Madone platform's performance so we had a great foundation to build on for the new Madone. So far, the feedback (based on some weekend warriors, triathletes in training, competitive Cat2 racers and ProTour professionlals) is very positive. Trek understands that weight and stiffness numbers are important but we tried hard to make a balanced, all-around package with the new Madone. We are not the lightest or the stiffest in the marketplace but compared to previous Madones, the new Madone is lighter and stiffer AND rides better. -Scott Daubert

Don O'Donnell

Any word on why we do not see Discovery using the integrated speed sensor with the new Madone's (based on the photo of George Hincapie from 6/11).
Also when will Trek be offering the new Madone's with Project One options?
Thanks,
Don

Don - the Speed Trap is only available on the Madone 5.1 at this time. Depending on how well it is received by our dealers and consumers, we may offer it on models farther up the line. -Scott Daubert

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