I recently went to the San Diego Low Speed Wind Tunnel (lswt.com) with several other engineers from Trek’s Advanced Concept Group (ACG). Since this was an internal test, we were looking at some wild ideas, not necessarily related to marketing or any pro tour team or triathlete, but to better understand aerodynamics for future Trek aero bike and accessory designs. Although we’re always “thinking aero”, we prepared for months specifically for this trip, brainstorming aero concepts and details, modeling the most interesting ones in CAD and running CFD analyses; preparing physical prototypes, whether CNC foam mock ups, hand-made clay parts, SLA models, reconfigured assemblies from existing parts, or buying a few competitor brands’ bikes. One of the specific reasons we went was to get a real-world comparison of a pedaling rider on our TTX and other brands’ bikes. Bikes were built up as they would be for riding, including drivetrain, cables, etc.
Wind tunnel trips are always exciting, and this one was no exception. We can’t share publicly all of what we learned, but we’ve chosen to share data comparing a few existing bikes, namely the current Trek Equinox TTX, a 2006 Trek Madone (with the shaped tubes), a 2007 Scott Plasma, and a 2005 Cervelo P3C, all in size medium. A chart comparing them is on Chris Lieto’s blog and I've reproduced below (click on image for larger version):
We were pleasantly surprised by the response this got in various forums such as Kraig Willet’s BikeTechReview.com's Performance Forum and Dan Empfield’s Slowtwitch.com's Triathlon Forum, among others.
These discussions brought up many excellent comments, and it’s refreshing to see the level of in-depth understanding of many of the forum members. I’ve jotted down a few answers here in order to clarify some of the confusion.
1: Are the data fudged? No. Although speculation from uninformed parties can make it seem possible and tempting to do so, all the data are as described below. It might also be worth noting that the testing was carried out by Trek’s Advanced Concept Group as a pure internal R&D effort (thus a strong desire to learn the true differences), and only afterwards we made the decision to publish some of the data.
2: Who was the rider? Not Levi, not Basso, not Lieto (though Trek has been in the tunnel with each of these riders on other occasions), but ACG’s own Doug Cusack. That explains why the CdA back-calculated by sharp readers doesn’t seem to fit those riders. Doug has been involved with aero bikes for a long, long time, going back in time through every one of Lance’s TT bikes and Lance’s F1 advisory team, all the way to his own small frame building shop before he worked at Trek.
3: How consistent is a live person? Doug’s drag numbers repeated to within 20 grams in separate runs on the same bike configuration taken hours apart during the same session. That’s impressively low variation for a live human. Standard controls such as outlining the profile on the TV screen and identical bike set up, including seat height and set back, reach and drop, etc. (both tasks were part of my responsibilities for this trip) are probably obvious. In addition to that, Doug has been to various wind tunnels more than anyone else at Trek, and knowing how variable riders often are, has developed detailed techniques for holding the same position all day.
4: Are all the runs shown from the same session? Yes. While sometimes weeks in the wind tunnel can be worthwhile, confidence is highest when comparing only runs from the same session.
5: Was he pedaling? Yes, at a realistic 90 rpm. The motion of the legs may or may not be the most important detail to include, but it is of course more realistic than a stationary dummy.
6: Is this result (Equinox TTX faster than Cervelo P3C) consistent? Yes. Across multiple separate tips to various wind tunnels (with different riders), this has been the case.
7: What bottles were on the bikes? None. Although we also tested various experimental hydration systems during this session, that data is proprietary and is not shown on the published chart. Of course you might have noticed Chris Lieto’s Bontrager Speed Bottle in front of his stem…
8: Can I get a Bontrager Speed Bottle in front of my stem? Not yet. Trek ACG’s Mark Andrews designed and CNC’ed a custom stem face plate to accept a dremelled Speed Bottle cage just for Chris. And one for me (Thanks Mark!). :-)
9: What wheels? Bontrager flat disc rear, Bontrager Aeolus ACC front, same on all bikes in the chart. The drag differences are not due to different wheels.
10: What handlebars? Bontrager Race X Lite carbon base bars and Bontrager clip on aero bars, same on all bikes in the chart. The drag differences are not due to different bars.
11: What about Specialized, Walser, Orbea, Wilier, etc.? Long ago we tested a Walser and found the then-current Trek OCLV Team Time Trial frameset to be faster. The current Trek Equinox TTX is faster still. The others weren’t available at the time of our test.
12: What about this article on BikeRadar.com that seems to say the data is from Levi? Whoops, sorry, that’s incorrect – possibly an understandable mixing of references to the many tunnel trips Trek has made.
13: Is the data for the Equinox TTX or just the new TTX SSL? Both. The Equinox TTX and Equinox TTX SSL both come from the same molds in our Waterloo carbon molding facility, so the shapes (and aero properties) are identical. The SSL has weight savings through intensive FEA analysis, lay-up schedule refinement, physical testing and carbon fiber material changes, hence the top-of-the-line OCLV “Red” designation.
14: Cervelo finishes second again! Yes, it’s true: Cervelo’s Gerard Vroomen has an excellent comment along the lines that they’re happy to finish second in other companies’ tunnel tests. We went to the tunnel for research purposes and hoped the Trek would be faster, but honestly wanted to know even if the Cervelo (or other bike) was faster.
15: Does this mean the Trek Equinox TTX is the best bike for everyone? No, of course not. For best performance, a rider must fit on the bike comfortably and powerfully. But if the Equinox TTX permits such a position for you, it is definitely that little bit faster than the others.
16: What are the differences between various Trek OCLV TT bikes? In sequential order:
a: Trek Team Time Trial. Originally painted white for Lance, then raced by the USPS team for years. This bike got the wider spaced fork blades as a running change. Eventually sold as the Equinox 11, etc. Slack seat tube angle, three sizes.
b: Lance’s black TTX (not “Equinox” TTX). This went into very limited production in 2006 only (just one size, Lance’s). Same slack seat tube angle as before, same wide fork.
c: The Equinox TTX. This is the data in the graph. Started production in 2006. This is what most people think of as “the TTX”. Most were painted red, yellow, blue or silver. Changes include steeper seat tube, down tube closer to front tire, 1 1/8” steerer, fork crown surfaces matches up with frame, etc. Lighter “Reverse Bond” fork as a running change, but no difference in fork dimensions or shape (or aero properties).
d: Trek Equinox TTX SSL. Introduced this summer, lighter frame, but same shape (and thus same aero properties) as the Trek Equinox TTX.
Sorry for such a long list, but it’s always interesting to hear what people are interested in and it’s clear to me that many people are interested in the details of the testing that produced the chart. As always, questions and comments are welcome! Thanks for reading.
-Damon Rinard
P.S. Trek's White Paper on this tunnel test is downloadable in PDF format from Slowtwitch.com here:





Uzair
Great review/info here.
I'm just wondering then, what are the differences between the frames of the various TTX bikes available from the OCLV Red TTX SSL to the OCLV white TTX.
Are they just lighter/heavier perhaps? What about the handling of the bikes, using the exact same components? Aero qualities are the same right?
Thanks
October 24, 2007 at 01:11 PM
Damon Rinard
Hi Uzair,
Correct, the OCLV White, Black and Red differ in weight and price. They are similar in stiffness and strength (due to more complex lay up schedules and more expensive carbon fiber in the lighter versions). Since the geometry is also the same (they all come from the same OCLV molds here in our Waterloo factory), they also handle about the same. Naturally, the aero qualities of all the TTXs are also the same – same molds, same shape, and same aerodynamics.
Thanks,
-Damon
October 24, 2007 at 01:43 PM
Jamie
What about the Felt DA since Felt claims to be the fastest bike out there in their mag ads.
October 24, 2007 at 08:25 PM
Uzair
Hi Damon,
So basically, it's a price difference for the weight then based on the better lay ups done, seeing as how the aero qualities are the same as well as the handling properties.
Main difference between the 3 models would be weight then? Stiffness is the same too as you mentioned? Thanks, as I was considering getting an OCLV Black TTX but might now get the White seeing as it's cheaper and doesn't sacrifice anything save for the weight.
October 25, 2007 at 02:02 PM
Damon Rinard
Hi Jamie,
Haven't tested the Felt. Hard to tell by looking, so I'd want to give it a run in the tunnel before making any claim.
-Damon Rinard
October 25, 2007 at 08:20 PM
Damon Rinard
Hi Uzair, Correct on all counts: Get the White OCLV, get equal aero and handling at slightly heavier weight, save some money.
-Damon Rinard
October 25, 2007 at 08:24 PM
Uzair
Hi Damon,
Thanks for the reply. Seeing as only weight differs, and, the fact that it's a TT bike where weight ain't much of an issue, I'd definitely be gunnin for an OCLV White version in P1 (Disco Blue, as said is available by Ben Milano, the P1 Co-ordinator :D)
Now to wait for my LBS to finalize the liason with Trek so I can place my order.
Cheers,
Uzair
October 27, 2007 at 01:43 PM
Uzair
Hi again Damon,
How much would the price difference be between the OCLV White frameset and the OCLV Black frameset? Would you happen to be able to list the prices too?
Thanks
October 30, 2007 at 04:32 AM
Damon Rinard
Just got an update on the frameset prices:
Advertised retail is
$2,749.99 for OCLV Black,
$5,499.99 for OCLV Red
and there is no OCLV White offered as a frameset.
Prices for the complete bikes are as follows:
Equinox TTX 9.9 SSL $8,249.99
Equinox TTX 9.9 $5,279.99
Equinox TTX 9.5 $3,849.99
Equinox TTX 9.0 $3,079.99
Details are listed here on our web site:
http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/triathlon/
Thanks, -Damon Rinard
October 30, 2007 at 12:55 PM
Uzair
Oh snap!!! So I can't get the OCLV white frameset now then even if I wanted it in P1 in Discovery Blue TTX paintjob?
Darn. This is a bummer coz I really wanted the Disco Blue color and the OCLV white frame to save some money.
Oh and, is the 07 skinsuit available by any chance? A guy on eBay has it since he's sponsored by Nike so he got a sample to try for size but the price is skyrocketing now.
This is kinda messing with my plans and all for my TTX and my TT races next year.
Uzair
October 30, 2007 at 01:47 PM
Rick Murphy
why wasn't the data for both bikes in the riderless state published? It would be interesting to see and then discuss why the ranking might be different.
In any case, it's nice to see actual data instead of marketing-speak. Thumbs-up
rick
November 01, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Damon Rinard
Hi Rick,
For this trip to the wind tunnel we didn’t test the bikes without riders, so there was no rider-off data for these bikes. Over the years we’ve tested bikes in various configurations with and without riders, but not a complete set of the same bikes. You’re right – it’s fun to theorize why the results are how they are. But of course the wind tunnel doesn’t tell you that – just the drag.
Thanks,
Damon Rinard
November 01, 2007 at 12:46 PM
Uzair
Hi there again.
I was wondering how some guys managed to get a hold of the 2007 Team Discovery skinsuits when they are not available for retail. Is there anyway to get them other than from the guys who are selling them on eBay?
Thanks
November 07, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Damon Rinard
Hi Uzair, We used to distribute them through Trek dealers, but we've closed them out now - there are none in our warehouse. They're all out there somewhere. Call Trek dealers or surf ebay - good luck! -Damon
November 07, 2007 at 12:24 PM
Tim
Hello, I was wondering why the TTX runs a higher head tube in the 'L' size in comparison to the similar (same top tube length) P3. Also can you give a hypthesis as to the effects of a 67 degree(track/time trial) stem on the cool aero profile of the head/top tube. And, if you have time can you explain why the TTX remained with a "brake bridge" oppose to the current trend with aerodynamic design in the industry.
Thanks
Tim
February 25, 2008 at 01:58 AM
Damon
Hi Tim,
We’ve chosen that height to accommodate the most riders. In practice there are plenty of riders on bikes with shorter head tubes, but with lots of spacers. In that case it’s faster to replace the spacers with the equivalent length aero head tube.
Haven’t tested a plunging stem in the tunnel, but they are used occasionally when trying to get very low. I use one on my pursuit bike. In fact Vladimir Gusev has used a plunging stem to good effect on his Trek TT bike – he won his Russian National Championships in the TT with that set up. Here's a photo:
http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/PhotosTest/06tourcaliSt3-011000
Another option in the quest for lower elbow height is to choose a low stack aero bar, that keeps the elbow pads lower to the base bar. One example is the HED flip lite or similar. Not sure what you mean by retaining a brake bridge?
Damon
February 25, 2008 at 08:51 AM
Mark
Can you tell me the difference in the tunnel between the old frame (I have an E-11) and the TTX? How did the old frame compare to a P3C?
Thanks.
May 13, 2008 at 06:27 PM
Damon
We didn't include the E-11 OCLV TT frame in this trip to the tunnel, so there is no apples-to-apples comparison to this data set. However in previous trips we've found the old frame was within a few percent of the Equinox TTX.
Damon
May 14, 2008 at 08:22 AM
how does it compares the OCLV carbon HC from the E-11 versus the new carbon fiber designation?
May 17, 2008 at 06:43 PM
Can I get the Trek TTX Equinox 9.5 ( color of bike I want is Red .. with the black carbon ) in a frameset only.
May 26, 2008 at 03:52 PM
Garrett D'Alessandro
Love the Trek TTX series , great job creating one of the best, if not the best Triathlon bikes now available.
I have an interest in buying the TTX , and like the color RED, which is the 9.5 TTX, however I would like to buy the frameset and build using most of the high end components included on the SSl. To bring the weight down. Can I purhase just the REd color frameset. ?
And btw, I know other Triathletes that are interested in buying the framesets as well, rather than the entire bike.
Thanks
Garrett
May 26, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Damon
Hi Garrett, thanks for your kind words!
The Equinox TTX is sold as a frameset only in the 9.9 SSL model, in the "Onyx" color. Of course, with Project One it can be any color you like, including the Chi Red of the 9.5 model if you like. Here's the Project One web site:
http://projectone.trekbikes.com/
Check with your dealer for details.
Thanks, -Damon
May 27, 2008 at 11:41 AM
jimmyn
I was wondering what changes might be in store for the 2009 year. My local shop says no more 9.5 or 9.9 are available at this time, that I will have to wait until August for the 2009 models. Also on the project one would it be possible to do a Lance Armstrong "Livestrong" paint scheme? I have a 7.5 FX Livestrong and would like to have a similar color pattern if possible. Not sure of any sort of trademark issues.
July 04, 2008 at 11:10 AM